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Fit Irregular (Impossible!) Shapes with ‘Ticking Sticks’

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The trick to fitting wooden pieces into impossible recesses is to learn about “ticking sticks.” These simple sticks – plus a sheet of paper – can make monstrous tasks into a easy job. Here’s how they work.

“Ticking sticks” go by many names in the historical record, but they are the best technology for cutting a piece of wood to fit an odd opening. All you need to perform this feat is a pointed stick, a piece of paper and a pencil.

The basic idea is that you use the ticking stick to “record” an irregular shape onto a piece of paper. Then you use that sheet of paper and ticking stick to draw that shape on the wood. Let’s start by describing the stick. The only thing that’s important about the stick is that it be pointed at one end. Mark one face of the stick as “up” and draw a line on one of the stick’s edges, as shown in the photos. We call this line the “tick line.”

The piece of paper is almost always smaller than the opening you are trying to “record.” In this case, it’s a piece of posterboard I’ve placed inside a rotted tree trunk. I want to fit a seat inside the hollow trunk.

Touch the ticking stick to the inside edge of the trunk. With your pencil, draw a line along the straight edge of your stick. Then make a mark on your line – the “tick” – at the tick line. Repeat and repeat. Move the ticking stick along the inside of your irregular opening. The more “ticks” you make, the more accurate the final shape will be. For this project I think I made about 100 ticks – that’s quite a lot.

Now tape the posterboard to the piece of wood that needs to fit in the irregular hole. Use the same ticking stick. Place it on each line and line up the “tick line” with the “tick” on the posterboard. Now mark the wood at the tip of your stick. Transfer all the ticks to your wood.

To join the lines, use a French curve. These curves excel at joining three points, Rotate each curve until three adjacent points fall on the curve. Mark them with a pencil. Work your way all around the shape, three points at a time.

Cut along the line and you will be really close to the final shape you need. In my case, I had a small bump that had to be chiseled away. Then the seat fit right in.

So stop saving your money for a 3D scanner. Find a stick and a piece of posterboard and you’ll quickly become an expert at this old-world technique.

— Christopher Schwarz

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  • chris6190

    I would be honored to have this chair in my backyard, near a fire, with a nice stout in hand. For every need a chair and for every chair a need…..or something like that. If anything, its a nice change of pace. Looking forward to seeing how it gets finished.
    Thank you.

  • Art

    I, as a carpenter, have used this before but somewhat differently for much larger surfaces one might encounter in building. it is the same process but a measurement is used in stead of a stick. Neither the length of the measurement or the angle matter. Using this method overcomes the problem of unusually shaped pieces with wide variance in lengths and being forced to use the same distance on each line. The measurement is simply written on the line.

  • Chauncy

    Although there is no known cure for wanting to build a stump chair (a.k.a. Schwarz derelictitis) there are self-help therapy groups forming throughout the country. Scientific studies do continue, however, it appears years of woodworking without proper dust abatement may have contributed to the development of the malady. Until a cure is found those afflicted are advised to resist the stump chair building impulse, get plenty of fresh air and have a beer instead.

  • Capntools

    Does the stick have to be perpendicular to the wood at the place where the point touches? Like Megan, I’m trying to visualise this.

    Or, is the key the combination of a line and a point, so that as long as you reverse the process correctly along the lines, it doesn’t matter if the stick is perpendicular?

    Is this what quantum theory feels like?

  • Sawdust

    Help me if you can . . . I’m confused!

    When using a French Curve, like the wonderful layout tools from Crucible Tool (plug intended from true appreciation), do you:

    1 ~ Fit the curve to three points and draw between the first two, or

    2 ~ Do you draw a line between all three?

    Your guidance will be appreciated !!!

    • Christopher Schwarz
      Christopher Schwarz

      Use the curve to join three points. Use the pencil to joint only two. Move to the next three points.

  • David

    What are you going to do with that thing? My suggestion is to donate it some outfit in Estonia or Finland that saves stray cats. That way, you kill two birds with one stone. Help a cat and send that thing so far away you’ll never see it again.

    • Christopher Schwarz
      Christopher Schwarz

      Every comment that trashes this piece makes me love it even more. So thanks!

      • David

        I don’t quite understand this, but hey, go for it. Over the last twenty years or so I’ve seen pieces of yours that are simply breathtaking in both form and function. You’ve done deep dives into the woodworking aesthetic in what can only be termed a scholarly precision.. You are a serious guy doing serious things. This thing jars. The only explanation I have is that it’s some kind of “anarchistic” spasm, an impulse to “overturn the apple cart.” Perhaps it’s simply fun. I simply don’t know.

        I promise I won’t comment on it again.

        • tailwagger

          I posit you are not seeing this in it’s context. There are many examples of this manner in history. It’s form and method are legitimate historically and aesthetically. On the classicism versus humanism scale, it falls in the latter. On the formal versus informal, the latter. It’s like a found object made useful. A one-off. Quirky, folksy, earthy, vernacular. Who’s to say where “correct” and “right” is on any of those scales? In its way it shows appreciation for the intrinsic qualities of the material, versus an imposition of a form onto the material. I think one can learn a lot about the material of a tree by working in such a way. Plus, hey, it looks like a lot of fun to make.

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  • comboprof

    Is there a discussion somewhere about what is the best wooden chair design? I would like to read it.

  • Megan Fitzpatrick
    Megan Fitzpatrick

    I remember how much trouble I had wrapping my head around this when Carl wrote about it in 2010 – so you kindly did this video for me 🙂

    • skirincich

      As simple as the concept is, I too had to think a bit about Carl’s process. Sometimes concepts stick better after walking away and revisiting them later.

  • JesAri415

    You need to make a wooden crown, get a scepter and some regal looking clothing once it’s finished.

  • godet

    Thank you for sharing…as soon as I saw the insta post, I was thinking how the heck is that seat fitted–really cool technique. In the next post, can you share how you routed the groove to hold the seat 🙂

    • Christopher Schwarz
      Christopher Schwarz

      There is no groove. The seat will be fastened to the trunk using large pegs through the trunk and into the seat. That’s one traditional way. The other way is to use cleats below the seat.

      • Sawdust

        Perhaps you might consider using a series of 15 Degree holes (like a Kreg Jig) paired with Miller Dowels to fasten the seat into place.

        Caveat, the pegs must be inserted from the top of the seat due to load requirements, then sawn flush.

  • blefty

    Very nice. But I don’t have any poster board with an “LA” on it…

    • Christopher Schwarz
      Christopher Schwarz

      Well then you’re screwed. Sorry.

      • rwyoung

        Alternately, one can substitute corrugated cardboard with the letters “L” and “N” on it. Greater re-sale value should one decide they want to get a 4-d scanner at a later date. (Yes, 4-d! Don’t be so 1717, we are thinking 3017!)

  • GravelRoad

    . . . And the dugout chair is looking amazing – such a unique, creative piece.

  • GravelRoad

    Very helpful technique. Thanks for sharing!

    • tailwagger

      I’ve always used the scribe technique to varying success. I was thinking to myself halfway through the article, “He’s essentially scribing and making the classic mistake of moving the scribe in an arc rather than keeping it perpendicular.” Tnen you flipped the ticking stick and I had an “Aha!” moment. Very cool! Thanks for sharing that.

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