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> <channel><title>Comments on: What Makes the Good Woodworkers Good</title> <atom:link href="http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good</link> <description>Woodworking advice, woodworking plans, woodworking projects and woodworking blogs</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 16:34:20 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: scott stahl</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13664</link> <dc:creator>scott stahl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13664</guid> <description><![CDATA[I believe I can offer some true insight on this topic.  I am a novice wood worker, but a professional in my career.  I put in the time and sacrifice to excel in my field.Roy Underhill and Norm Abram are directly to blame for the lack of practice among woodworkers.  Yep, I said it.  Roy and Norm put in the time and sacrifice to be masters of their craft.  For years we (the public) have been subliminally indoctrinated that fine wood working can be done in 30 minutes with three commercial breaks.We never see the poor schmuck whose job it is hone the tools and tune the machines.  And that schmuck more likely than not is also the host of the show.  Also, most people are not aware that Norm Abram builds the project once to work out the kinks before they film the second build.  I can only assume that Roy Underhill does something similar.My start in woodworking began years ago with the gross carpentry involved in home ownership.  Each project became more complex than the last.  With complexity came more tools.  Invariably the first incarnation of the tools were the cheap versions like the $99.00 table saw.  When low skill plus cheap tools equaled crap projects, I became discouraged.Fast forward a number of years and it is now &#039;obvious&#039; that effort similar to what I have put in for my career is necessary to achieve the quality I want in the hobby I&#039;m returning to.  Because it is a hobby the time spent doing it should not feel like work.  The drudgery of practicing menial steps is against our self interest in seeking peace, solace, escape, or whatever motivation is behind our hobby.I have reached that point where in order for my hobby to provide further fulfillment, I have to put in that drudgery to master the basic hand tool steps.I recognize the benefit of quality tools.  With three kids heading for college what was once economic ignorance has become economic necessity.  Still, I have managed to cobble together a number of quality tools.  All of which I will be bringing to the next Woodworking in America show in an attempt to learn how to make them sing.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I can offer some true insight on this topic.  I am a novice wood worker, but a professional in my career.  I put in the time and sacrifice to excel in my field.</p><p>Roy Underhill and Norm Abram are directly to blame for the lack of practice among woodworkers.  Yep, I said it.  Roy and Norm put in the time and sacrifice to be masters of their craft.  For years we (the public) have been subliminally indoctrinated that fine wood working can be done in 30 minutes with three commercial breaks.</p><p>We never see the poor schmuck whose job it is hone the tools and tune the machines.  And that schmuck more likely than not is also the host of the show.  Also, most people are not aware that Norm Abram builds the project once to work out the kinks before they film the second build.  I can only assume that Roy Underhill does something similar.</p><p>My start in woodworking began years ago with the gross carpentry involved in home ownership.  Each project became more complex than the last.  With complexity came more tools.  Invariably the first incarnation of the tools were the cheap versions like the $99.00 table saw.  When low skill plus cheap tools equaled crap projects, I became discouraged.</p><p>Fast forward a number of years and it is now &#8216;obvious&#8217; that effort similar to what I have put in for my career is necessary to achieve the quality I want in the hobby I&#8217;m returning to.  Because it is a hobby the time spent doing it should not feel like work.  The drudgery of practicing menial steps is against our self interest in seeking peace, solace, escape, or whatever motivation is behind our hobby.</p><p>I have reached that point where in order for my hobby to provide further fulfillment, I have to put in that drudgery to master the basic hand tool steps.</p><p>I recognize the benefit of quality tools.  With three kids heading for college what was once economic ignorance has become economic necessity.  Still, I have managed to cobble together a number of quality tools.  All of which I will be bringing to the next Woodworking in America show in an attempt to learn how to make them sing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LizPf</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13663</link> <dc:creator>LizPf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:44:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13663</guid> <description><![CDATA[As a new woodworker myself, I think it&#039;s important to learn about the materials we work with — wood is the most important* but also the glues, nails, screws we may use to fasten the wood together.Neil, I did the brick &amp; board bookshelf decades ago ... but it would have been nice if someone told me *not* to make 4&#039; long shelves of particleboard, or to glue and nail a cleat to the back of each.I&#039;d also like to see more &quot;why&quot; articles/blog posts: &quot;here&#039;s why we chose this joint; here&#039;s why we surfaced both sides of this componnent&quot; ...But most important is the practice! I&#039;d love for Pop Wood to run a series of practice exercises for new woodworkers, so we can learn to saw straight, plane a board, etc.--Liz
* as in, if you are going to try to carve a spoon with a Swirr Army knife, don&#039;t use kiln dried maple, and definitely orient the pattern the right way on the grain!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a new woodworker myself, I think it&#8217;s important to learn about the materials we work with — wood is the most important* but also the glues, nails, screws we may use to fasten the wood together.</p><p>Neil, I did the brick &amp; board bookshelf decades ago &#8230; but it would have been nice if someone told me *not* to make 4&#8242; long shelves of particleboard, or to glue and nail a cleat to the back of each.</p><p>I&#8217;d also like to see more &quot;why&quot; articles/blog posts: &quot;here&#8217;s why we chose this joint; here&#8217;s why we surfaced both sides of this componnent&quot; &#8230;</p><p>But most important is the practice! I&#8217;d love for Pop Wood to run a series of practice exercises for new woodworkers, so we can learn to saw straight, plane a board, etc.</p><p>&#8211;Liz<br
/> * as in, if you are going to try to carve a spoon with a Swirr Army knife, don&#8217;t use kiln dried maple, and definitely orient the pattern the right way on the grain!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eric R</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13662</link> <dc:creator>Eric R</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:27:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13662</guid> <description><![CDATA[Two skills (or work habits) have helped me a lot.1) Getting the tools I need to do a certain task together and ready to use so I can concentrate on doing the task at hand instead of fetching tools.2) Practicing patience. You said it yourself in the past Bob, slow down &amp; enjoy what you are doing.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two skills (or work habits) have helped me a lot.</p><p>1) Getting the tools I need to do a certain task together and ready to use so I can concentrate on doing the task at hand instead of fetching tools.</p><p>2) Practicing patience. You said it yourself in the past Bob, slow down &amp; enjoy what you are doing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Neil Lamens</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13661</link> <dc:creator>Neil Lamens</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13661</guid> <description><![CDATA[I had written this yesterday but for some reason was unable to post....You&#039;re already beyond getting the &quot;beginning woodworker going&quot; in this discussion. All the comments here are advanced beginner and novice. If a beginner were to read this post, he wouldn&#039;t know where to start.The most basic skill a beginner must possess is to see that he/she has a need that can be resolved by using wood. That wood is 3/4&quot; S2S (already I&#039;m confusing the beginner) that can be picked up locally. This wood may not even be cut, but rather fit in between 2 re-painted file cabinets. It is this sense of accomplishment that pushes the individual, not to practice, but to experiment in order to resolve the next need, maybe making it in all wood and experimenting to connect pieces of wood together, maybe not. As the need solver feels the sense that comes with more and more accomplishments, he/she seeks more knowledge. The individual isn&#039;t going to practice, what the heck is he/she going to practice.Make 10 gift boxes, realize you need a chisel and your chisel work gets better.Once the individual overtime experiments with his or her knowledge as applied to woodworking does the door crack open and the real fun begin]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had written this yesterday but for some reason was unable to post&#8230;.</p><p>You&#8217;re already beyond getting the &quot;beginning woodworker going&quot; in this discussion. All the comments here are advanced beginner and novice. If a beginner were to read this post, he wouldn&#8217;t know where to start.</p><p>The most basic skill a beginner must possess is to see that he/she has a need that can be resolved by using wood. That wood is 3/4&quot; S2S (already I&#8217;m confusing the beginner) that can be picked up locally. This wood may not even be cut, but rather fit in between 2 re-painted file cabinets. It is this sense of accomplishment that pushes the individual, not to practice, but to experiment in order to resolve the next need, maybe making it in all wood and experimenting to connect pieces of wood together, maybe not. As the need solver feels the sense that comes with more and more accomplishments, he/she seeks more knowledge. The individual isn&#8217;t going to practice, what the heck is he/she going to practice.</p><p>Make 10 gift boxes, realize you need a chisel and your chisel work gets better.</p><p>Once the individual overtime experiments with his or her knowledge as applied to woodworking does the door crack open and the real fun begin</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rich Snow</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13660</link> <dc:creator>Rich Snow</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:00:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13660</guid> <description><![CDATA[Usually, I don&#039;t do a project unless there is a &quot;need&quot;. In other words, I don&#039;t practice. However, I am focused on the quality of the results. Because the project is normally for my enjoyment, I want it to be as good as I can make it.By focusing on the end result, it doesn&#039;t matter how long it takes; how many re-do&#039;s of particular parts; or how many tools I need to buy and learn how to use. It&#039;s part of life. Time is irrelevant. The better I make this project, the easier and better the next project will be. This makes it fun, educational, and high quality. Woodworking is cool. It just keeps getting better and better.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually, I don&#8217;t do a project unless there is a &quot;need&quot;. In other words, I don&#8217;t practice. However, I am focused on the quality of the results. Because the project is normally for my enjoyment, I want it to be as good as I can make it.</p><p>By focusing on the end result, it doesn&#8217;t matter how long it takes; how many re-do&#8217;s of particular parts; or how many tools I need to buy and learn how to use. It&#8217;s part of life. Time is irrelevant. The better I make this project, the easier and better the next project will be. This makes it fun, educational, and high quality. Woodworking is cool. It just keeps getting better and better.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen Kirk</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13659</link> <dc:creator>Stephen Kirk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13659</guid> <description><![CDATA[I think practice is a hard concept to do in woodworking.  We are often focused on producing something.  So, when we think of practicing a cut that doesn&#039;t actually make anything, it seems like a waste.  Instead of practicing, I like to actually make things, or factor some practice into a current project.  Need to dovetail, make a box, you can always store screws in it.  Sawing to a line, crosscut your stock down freehand.  I follow that life is the arena, there are opportunities to practice every second.  Do all math in your head first, then check it on the calculator.  Resharpen a chisel before you think it&#039;s dull and see if that helps or hinders you.Albeit practice is cited heavily with hand tools, I think it is often overlooked with power tools.  Everyone new to a table saw should have to experience reaction wood, knots, etc.  It&#039;s no fun to hit this situation on a production board.  Working with lots of woods on the saw will teach you how to deal with all of it.  Learn to set up every machine well and do it quickly.  Try out some new jigs or fixtures.I also consider every project practice in some form.  Always do something a little new or challenging.  But don&#039;t neglect what you learned on the last project.  Take what you did previously and try to make it better.  Then add something new.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think practice is a hard concept to do in woodworking.  We are often focused on producing something.  So, when we think of practicing a cut that doesn&#8217;t actually make anything, it seems like a waste.  Instead of practicing, I like to actually make things, or factor some practice into a current project.  Need to dovetail, make a box, you can always store screws in it.  Sawing to a line, crosscut your stock down freehand.  I follow that life is the arena, there are opportunities to practice every second.  Do all math in your head first, then check it on the calculator.  Resharpen a chisel before you think it&#8217;s dull and see if that helps or hinders you.</p><p>Albeit practice is cited heavily with hand tools, I think it is often overlooked with power tools.  Everyone new to a table saw should have to experience reaction wood, knots, etc.  It&#8217;s no fun to hit this situation on a production board.  Working with lots of woods on the saw will teach you how to deal with all of it.  Learn to set up every machine well and do it quickly.  Try out some new jigs or fixtures.</p><p>I also consider every project practice in some form.  Always do something a little new or challenging.  But don&#8217;t neglect what you learned on the last project.  Take what you did previously and try to make it better.  Then add something new.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave Ball</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13658</link> <dc:creator>Dave Ball</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:56:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13658</guid> <description><![CDATA[Patience, thinking, and attention to detail are the things that always get me into trouble when not exercised in spades.In our instant gratification society, practice is a &#039;waste&#039; of time.  I saw an interview with Chris Botti (unbelievable talented trumpet player).  He said the greatest thing keeping people from reaching great heights in music was lack of dedication to practicing.All that said, I don&#039;t practice much/enough...]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patience, thinking, and attention to detail are the things that always get me into trouble when not exercised in spades.</p><p>In our instant gratification society, practice is a &#8216;waste&#8217; of time.  I saw an interview with Chris Botti (unbelievable talented trumpet player).  He said the greatest thing keeping people from reaching great heights in music was lack of dedication to practicing.</p><p>All that said, I don&#8217;t practice much/enough&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave Anderson NH</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13657</link> <dc:creator>Dave Anderson NH</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:23:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13657</guid> <description><![CDATA[A major and somewhat obvious area of importance is finishing.  I have seen more pieces of otherwise really great work diminished in quality to ordinary and even sub-par by a poor finishing job.  Even a piece of mediocre workmanship will shine if the finishing job is a good or excellent one.  To my mind the hardest part of finishing is forcing yourself to prepare to do the job.  This includes samples made and finished from the jobs cutoffs, preparing the surface, the actual finishing, and the rubout (finishing the finish).  Any shortcuts anywhere along the line will diminish  the quality of the overall piece.Dave Anderson]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A major and somewhat obvious area of importance is finishing.  I have seen more pieces of otherwise really great work diminished in quality to ordinary and even sub-par by a poor finishing job.  Even a piece of mediocre workmanship will shine if the finishing job is a good or excellent one.  To my mind the hardest part of finishing is forcing yourself to prepare to do the job.  This includes samples made and finished from the jobs cutoffs, preparing the surface, the actual finishing, and the rubout (finishing the finish).  Any shortcuts anywhere along the line will diminish  the quality of the overall piece.</p><p>Dave Anderson</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Marzullo</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13656</link> <dc:creator>Michael Marzullo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:51:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13656</guid> <description><![CDATA[All great points. I would have to say that the thing I&#039;ve learned that had the most positive impact on my woodworking is that wood, by nature, is a living, breathing media to work with - even after the tree is cut down. I know as a beginner I looked at wood as a solid, immovable object. then, I would find myself in a panic as I ripped a straight but damp 2x4 on the table saw only to watch it come off the other side curled like a ribbon. Or cut some pieces one day and find they don&#039;t fit the next day. I found that understanding things like wood movement, moisture content, grain direction, and relative dimensioning effected all steps in the process of a project - including wood selection, milling, cutting and shaping, assembly, and finishing. Now that I understand and compensate for wood&#039;s nature, I&#039;ve significantly decreased my mistakes, frustration, and &quot;do-overs&quot;. It sounds like a no-brainer, but I feel these concepts escape many new woodworkers - or they have a vague understanding but don&#039;t realize how much of an impact it all has on their projects.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All great points. I would have to say that the thing I&#8217;ve learned that had the most positive impact on my woodworking is that wood, by nature, is a living, breathing media to work with &#8211; even after the tree is cut down. I know as a beginner I looked at wood as a solid, immovable object. then, I would find myself in a panic as I ripped a straight but damp 2&#215;4 on the table saw only to watch it come off the other side curled like a ribbon. Or cut some pieces one day and find they don&#8217;t fit the next day. I found that understanding things like wood movement, moisture content, grain direction, and relative dimensioning effected all steps in the process of a project &#8211; including wood selection, milling, cutting and shaping, assembly, and finishing. Now that I understand and compensate for wood&#8217;s nature, I&#8217;ve significantly decreased my mistakes, frustration, and &quot;do-overs&quot;. It sounds like a no-brainer, but I feel these concepts escape many new woodworkers &#8211; or they have a vague understanding but don&#8217;t realize how much of an impact it all has on their projects.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chuck Bender</title><link>http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what-makes-the-good-woodworkers-good/comment-page-1#comment-13655</link> <dc:creator>Chuck Bender</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:13:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/What+Makes+The+Good+Woodworkers+Good.aspx#comment-13655</guid> <description><![CDATA[Throughout the years of having apprentices (and now students) I&#039;ve found that most folks want a step by step process to follow. They want to know the &quot;rule of thumb&quot; that they can apply universally: one overall statement that they can apply to any situation that arises. Every project is different. Throughout the duration of a project mistakes and problems occur that cause the craftsman to adapt their process. Woodworking, by necessity, is little more than problem solving. The hardest skill I&#039;ve tried to teach people is how to think. While a good handtool (or powertool) can make the process more enjoyable, knowing how to make a tool do what you want, when you want is a far greater skill. Buying a premium tool will not, in and of itself, make you a better craftsman. Developing your skills and knowing how and when to apply them will. Being able to conceptualize how a project goes together in your mind helps with the ability to know how to put all the steps in the proper order. It also helps when those little problems conflict with all those &quot;rules of thumb&quot;. The moment you stop thinking about what you&#039;re doing, and how it impacts the project further down the road, is the moment you go into automatic mode and that&#039;s when the biggest mistakes happen. That’s usually when people get hurt, material gets wasted and frustration hits its highest level. Slow down, think about what you’re doing, practice some basic skills and your work will improve dramatically.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throughout the years of having apprentices (and now students) I&#8217;ve found that most folks want a step by step process to follow. They want to know the &quot;rule of thumb&quot; that they can apply universally: one overall statement that they can apply to any situation that arises. Every project is different. Throughout the duration of a project mistakes and problems occur that cause the craftsman to adapt their process. Woodworking, by necessity, is little more than problem solving. The hardest skill I&#8217;ve tried to teach people is how to think. While a good handtool (or powertool) can make the process more enjoyable, knowing how to make a tool do what you want, when you want is a far greater skill. Buying a premium tool will not, in and of itself, make you a better craftsman. Developing your skills and knowing how and when to apply them will. Being able to conceptualize how a project goes together in your mind helps with the ability to know how to put all the steps in the proper order. It also helps when those little problems conflict with all those &quot;rules of thumb&quot;. The moment you stop thinking about what you&#8217;re doing, and how it impacts the project further down the road, is the moment you go into automatic mode and that&#8217;s when the biggest mistakes happen. That’s usually when people get hurt, material gets wasted and frustration hits its highest level. Slow down, think about what you’re doing, practice some basic skills and your work will improve dramatically.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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